Xash 3D[engine]

[Baker]

[leileilol]

Don't forget there was a HL2 source code leak that may have included Goldsrc code, so there's a possible chance this engine could be using a portion of it, allegedly "written from scratch"

[DolphinsOfCydonia]

[revelator]

black mesa is sponsored by valve last i heard so heh... besides that its going to be a free expansion for those who allready own half-life.
valve licensed the quake code many years back im no lawyer so im not into what rights that give them but i doubt they would go farther than what ID's license agreement states (just in case they licensed it before it went opensource).
if in doubt ask ID and hear there take on it.

[frag.machine]

[mh]

[DolphinsOfCydonia]

[Baker]

[Unnecessary analysis ...]

[DolphinsOfCydonia]

[Baker]

[Baker]

[Baker]

You have pointed out something that I think 3 or 4 in this thread may have forgot about, that project portrays itself in manner that implies ethics.

And that is what is seen when visiting the page. (The project in fact may have ethical intentions, but is using unethical methods for sure.)

Most of us in this thread are engine coders and the first thing we do is download the source and look through files, often as an act of curiosity and perhaps equally often as an act of skepticism. I often download the source to see if it really is available

It is noteworthy that not everyone does this as a first instinct. I rarely or never bothered to download source code as the "first thing I do" before I started engine coding, I mean I didn't need or have interest in the source code so why would I ...

[leileilol]

You should see the lost cause of game projects that use it

http://www.moddb.com/games/quartal
http://www.moddb.com/engines/xash3d-engine

It's funny quartal wants this on the psp so bad yet don't understand the whole win32 native dll thing.

[Knightmare]

This engine sounds almost like GOLK all over again.

As a side point, if the HL SDK's EULA prohibits mod makers from releasing their source, then why has Spirit of Half-Life (http://www.moddb.com/mods/spirit-of-half-life) had its source available for several years? Are they in violation?

[revelator]

probably... looks like a modified half-life sdk.